Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2010-12/Attestation of extinct languages

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Integration with Attestation section: new section

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	Should we add some sort of restriction that the cite can't be recent? Like, Gothic is classified as "extinct", but that doesn't prevent me from writing a book in it; and if I were to do so, we shouldn't automatically include any words that I would be forced to reconstruct and/or invent. (Arguably, since Gothic is extinct and I am alive, a book that I wrote in Gothic would not ''actually'' be in Gothic; but we don't have a general practice of excluding non-native speaker cites.) —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[User talk: Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 19:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)		Should we add some sort of restriction that the cite can't be recent? Like, Gothic is classified as "extinct", but that doesn't prevent me from writing a book in it; and if I were to do so, we shouldn't automatically include any words that I would be forced to reconstruct and/or invent. (Arguably, since Gothic is extinct and I am alive, a book that I wrote in Gothic would not ''actually'' be in Gothic; but we don't have a general practice of excluding non-native speaker cites.) —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[User talk: Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 19:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
	:An interesting thought. Maybe the 'contemporary' restriction should encompass the whole paragraph. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 19:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)		:An interesting thought. Maybe the 'contemporary' restriction should encompass the whole paragraph. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 19:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Integration with Attestation section ==
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		+	This needs to be integrated with [[WT:CFI#Attestation]] section. One option is to add this bullet point to attestation section:
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		+	<div style = "border:0 solid #990;border-width:0 0 1px 2px;margin:1em;padding:0 0 1em 1em">(a) "Single usage or mention in contemporary sources for a term of an extinct language"</div>
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		+	That is more lenient than the following bullet, which excludes mentions from dictionaries and other mentions, and adds the requirement for permanently recorded media:
		+	<div style = "border:0 solid #990;border-width:0 0 1px 2px;margin:1em;padding:0 0 1em 1em">(b) "Single usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, for a term of an extinct language"</div>
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		+	For context, this is the wording of the 3-quotations bullet point:
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		+	<div style = "border:0 solid #990;border-width:0 0 1px 2px;margin:1em;padding:0 0 1em 1em">"Usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year."</div>
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		+	The point (a) can be formulated as two points, for better clarity via avoidance of disjunctive bullets:
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		+	<div style = "border:0 solid #990;border-width:0 0 1px 2px;margin:1em;padding:0 0 1em 1em">
		+	(c) 'Single usage for a term of an extinct language'
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		+	(d) "Single mention in contemporary sources for a term of an extinct language"</div>
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		+	--[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 09:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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